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We are using the pulpit mic. But the organ should be directly connected to the sound system. I will check the type of mic. Thanks

Some buildings have the organ pre wired into the sound system, some don't.

Some are easy to use an existing signal and feed that into the sound system either on the stand or at the rack, but some are much more difficult.

Depends on which combination of organ and sound system you have.

Retaining the podium dynamic swan neck microphone for the speakers and then adding a secondary microphone on a stand to capture the organ can work well. If it's a dynamic mic then it will need to be positioned very close. It won't capture the singing at all though.

A condenser microphone could capture both the organ and the congregation singing but would need to be muted during the speaking sections.

I don't think the difference between dynamic or condenser makes that big a difference in sound level. However, dynamic can fail in a way that makes them quiet.

If the organ is connected and how it's routed may vary between buildings. I'm not sure as you'd want the organ in the feed from the sound system as it would completely drown out any choir that might be signing along. (Not that you have control of that anyway.)

Plugging in an external mic into the sound system may help, but you'd probably have to boost the levels during that portion of the program. Adding a sound mixer just for the webcast and adding a secondary mic is what's going to git you the best results - but it takes extra equipment and more effort to operate.

A dynamic microphone will not be as sensitive as a condenser microphone if we're talking in general terms, so if you want to capture ambient sound like congregational singing complete with organ then I don't see dynamic mics being effective for this use case.

Although there are different types of condenser microphones for different applications, it is easy to find many cost effective solutions that have a pick up range of 15-30 feet. You just won't get that with a dynamic microphone which most tend to favour a 1-2 foot pick up range.

Apart from stand mounted mics, you could also benefit from boundary or ceiling hanging microphones too.

I've spent far too many hours trying to effectively capture a stage theatre production without having radio lav mics on every actor!

Wattsuk wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:31 am Some buildings have the organ pre wired into the sound system, some don't.

Organ audio is not routed to the audio output jack of any church building. Any organ you hear from that jack is being picked up by the pulpit mic.

daveg123 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:16 pm Organ audio is not routed to the audio output jack of any church building. Any organ you hear from that jack is being picked up by the pulpit mic.

The organ at our stake enter feeds into the meetinghouse sound system when the overflow dividers are open and the cultural hall speakers activate. This is according to instructions we received from both headquarters and the audiovisual specialist who installed the sound system when the meetinghouse was built.

lajackson wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:43 pm The organ at our stake enter feeds into the meetinghouse sound system when the overflow dividers are open and the cultural hall speakers activate. This is according to instructions we received from both headquarters and the audiovisual specialist who installed the sound system when the meetinghouse was built.

You are correct, organ does feed into the gym speakers when the gym is open to the chapel (in most stake centers). But organ does not feed into the audio out jack that you use for webcasting, even when the gym is open.

I am an installer for the Church. Just trying to keep the info on this board accurate.

daveg123 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 12:32 am But organ does not feed into the audio out jack that you use for webcasting, even when the gym is open.

I am an installer for the Church. Just trying to keep the info on this board accurate.

Ah, I see the difference. Thank you for clarifying.

I was confused in this chain as well. Wattsuk stated that some organs are pre-wired into the sound system. He did not state that it was wired into the output jack, which appeared to be an assumption by daveg123 that may not have been accurate. I'm glad it is clarified now.

daveg123 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 12:32 am

lajackson wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 8:43 pm The organ at our stake enter feeds into the meetinghouse sound system when the overflow dividers are open and the cultural hall speakers activate. This is according to instructions we received from both headquarters and the audiovisual specialist who installed the sound system when the meetinghouse was built.

You are correct, organ does feed into the gym speakers when the gym is open to the chapel (in most stake centers). But organ does not feed into the audio out jack that you use for webcasting, even when the gym is open.

I am an installer for the Church. Just trying to keep the info on this board accurate.

Does this still apply to those much older sound systems?
We have a chapel here with a system from 2001 and the chapel organ sound is fed to the audio output that is in the gym.

Could the configuration be updated to allow organ signal to passthrough to the front audio out jack?