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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 9:29 am
by lajackson
scion wrote:Sometimes the BSA directions differed from LDS instructions. However, nobody told us that and I couldn't locate any source that explained those differences.

He was very disappointed when, after earning a pile of beltloops, badges, & pins and the arrow of light as a Webelo, he was not allowed to move on to Boy Scouts due to his age. Having to wait several months to move made it much harder to get him started in Boy Scouts. Had I been aware of that situation in advance, I would have approached it differently and slowed down what he was getting done.
I am not aware of a good, consolidated source. Most members and many leaders do not understand the differences.

I do hope that your son was able to move right into Boy Scouts as a Tenderfoot when he did turn 11, having earned his Arrow of Light as a Cub Scout.

One of the things that many outside the Church admire about the way we do Scouting is that we do have an 11-year-old Scout patrol, giving the younger Scouts a greater advantage in completing Second and First Class Scout requirements, and preparing them to be involved with the older Scouts when they turn 12. Some of the troops in our area have adjusted their patrols so that the newer scouts are together and led by qualified leaders and experienced Scouts to get them up to speed faster.

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 12:06 pm
by Johnsonnest-p40
I would also point out that the Pack Committee Chair would be involved in the decision making in addition to the Cubmaster

Official Resources?

Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 5:43 pm
by jessestay
In our Ward the leaders insist that the parents not be on he committee unless they are called. Is this contradicted by any documentation anywhere that I can show them? I'd really like to volunteer but the leaders are making it hard in an organization that is supposedly supposed to be run by the parents.

Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 6:08 pm
by techgy
jessestay wrote:In our Ward the leaders insist that the parents not be on he committee unless they are called. Is this contradicted by any documentation anywhere that I can show them? I'd really like to volunteer but the leaders are making it hard in an organization that is supposedly supposed to be run by the parents.
I would discuss your desire to serve with your Bishop and get his support. It's been my experience that finding people to serve in scouting-related callings is often difficult so your Bishop may respond favorably.

You may also wish to review the LDS Scouting handbooks.

Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 7:23 pm
by jbh001
jessestay wrote:In our Ward the leaders insist that the parents not be on he committee unless they are called.
Yes. If the bishop doesn't feel like you should be called as a cub scout leader or pack committee member, as a parent there are many ways you can help your cub scout aged sons to participate in and advance through cub scouts. Here are some examples.

Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 2:53 pm
by jessestay
Jbh001 that's perfect - thank you for sharing that.

Other ideas....

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2010 8:49 am
by kisaac
Are you building a new program or taking over an already running program?

My wife, our primary president, suggests:

In addition to JD Lessely's post which is correct, and points you to the scouting handbook and CHI, remember to contact your local Scout district.
Ask them when their local "roundtable" training meeting is held locally. The local roundtable training meeting in each area (in utah) I've been in is a huge help, and will have seasoned scouters to help you get going. These are usually from all charters, not just LDS packs and troops. Attend these with all your leaders, and find out when your leaders can receive their required local training.

How it works in our ward:

chain of command:[INDENT]A counselor in the bishopric is oversees the cub scouts, then the
Primary presidency , who is over[INDENT]
  • cub program and the
  • 11 year old scouts.
[/INDENT](The president has charge of the 11 year old scouts (per CHI) and my wife assigned a counselor to oversee the Cub scouts.)

Cub Committee Chairperson
, CubMaster, and assitant cubmaster.
These are the "glue" in our pack, and oversee's the whole program. These two positions are vital and will really help if they are experienced and energetic.
Denleaders, webelos leaders
[/INDENT]
The meetings:
[INDENT]Cub committee meeting, monthly: Vital that all attend! The cub committee is made of the den leaders, the Cubmaster, the cub committee chair and the primary counselor. The bishopric counselor is invited. The primary president attends quarterly or as needed, but the counselor is there each month.

Roundtable meeting, monthly. A training and resource meeting held by the district scouting council.

Pack meetings, held monthly, with all boys, leaders, parents and siblings (it's all about the fun! The awards, the advancements! Goofy cheers!)
Den meetings, held weekly, except the week of pack meeting, often at the ward house or in a leaders home
[/INDENT]Budget:
If you have questions here, have your primary president consult with the stake primary president and your bishop. Your local scouting office will tell you what the typical den will cost, awards and camps, etc., and this can be obtained at roundtable. We have created a spreadsheet that calculates what we will need to budget each year that factors in day camp costs, awards, etc. I can email that to you if you send me a private message.

Although we are an LDS charter, all cub scout-aged kids in the neighborhood are encouraged to attend, and invited by primary president working closely with den leaders. These are funded by our ward as well.

Other:
Ask at your local roundtable for the other items: Blue and Gold, Pinewood derby, scout-o-rama, etc.

Combining: To get a "critical mass" of boys, we've combined our pack with two other adjacent wards. The committee chair and the cubmaster usually rotate through the three wards, with den leaders called from any ward. One ward is assigned to be the "agent" ward over the pack. The three primary presidents come to cub committee meeting quarterly, with the three bishopric counselors invited and they sometimes attend.

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 9:06 am
by nutterb
Something to be aware of is that the BSA recently revised its policy such that all registered adults need to complete the Youth Protection training. This can be done online after creating an account at www.myscouting.org

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 10:38 am
by greggo
nutterb wrote:Something to be aware of is that the BSA recently revised its policy such that all registered adults need to complete the Youth Protection training. This can be done online after creating an account at [url=http://%3Cb%3Ewww.myscouting.org%3C/b%3E]www.myscouting.org[/url]
Just for clarification...
This policy is not new. The new part is that an adult leader is now required to complete the training before they can submit the application to register with the BSA (or be included in the recharter, if they have not been retrained within the past 2 years).

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 12:01 pm
by lajackson
Greggo wrote:Just for clarification...
This policy is not new. The new part is that an adult leader is now required to complete the training before they can submit the application to register with the BSA (or be included in the recharter, if they have not been retrained within the past 2 years).

This is correct, and the effective date was June 1st. It means if you have not completed youth protection training, you cannot register as a new leader AND the unit cannot recharter you on an existing charter. This will catch some units by surprise, especially those who are rechartering right now.

The good news is that it does not take quite as long to do the refresher training as it did to do the original training. A record of your training is also stored at the national BSA site and is readily available if there are any questions.

If you are new, you do have to print out the completion certificate and attach it to your application, or your Scout office will no longer accept it. This applies to merit badge counselors, as well.